The ACA (Affordable Care Act, also known as "Obamacare"), provides us with great health insurance at an unbelievably low rate. We're sharing what we've learned about it, in case you find the info helpful.
Remember: We're just a couple of yahoos stumbling through this. We're not experts or advisors :) HOW IT WORKS (as far as we can tell):
Our Experience We've found the sign-up process and "system" to be complicated, and hope that the info provided here might make it easier for you. The first year we used the ACA (2020), Jim spent ~40 hours on the phone* getting it all to work. This year we dug into the details and feel like we have a much better understanding of the hows and whys. Also, this year our rates are 25% lower than last year and lower than they've ever been. We wonder if maybe the "Infrastructure Act" has something to do with this, but don't really know. * In hindsight, this was the result of us asking too many questions. We should have just filled out the online forms and shut up. INCOME Determines Monthly Premium and Some Benefits
Non-Retirement and/or Roth IRA SAVINGS Enable You to Increase ACA Benefits A layoff and start-up experiences led us to border on financial paranoia during our working years, so we stashed savings in non-retirement investment accounts. This enables us to postpone use of our retirement accounts and receive great ACA benefits. However ...
Our Healthcare Insurance for 2025 Healthcare Plan: Anthem Silver Pathway 5000 $0 Select Drugs (an HMO) Premium cost to cover both of us: $2,140.22/month Amount we pay to be on the plan: $111.76/month NOTE: The published individual deductible for this plan is $5,000/person, but because of our low income status, our deductible is $100/person. Max out-of-pocket expenses are also greatly reduced for us. INCOME and BENEFITS: Another data point We pay little because our income is low. We know of a person who is single (in Colorado) who will also be using the ACA in 2025. This person pays ~$700/month for an Anthem Gold plan comparable to a plan that would have cost ~$2,400/month via the previous employer's retirement offering. This friend's MAGI is higher than ours. Obviously, you'll need to run your numbers to figure out what value you may (or may not) be able to get from the ACA given your MAGI. You may be wondering:
-- Kathy P.S. THANK YOU to the friend who casually asked, "Have you looked into the ACA?" back in 2019 when I was lamenting the high cost of healthcare insurance which we were purchasing through our previous employers' retirement offerings. The story she shared seemed unbelievable, but she was credible so we followed up, and now that we've been using it for five years, we're convinced it's real :)
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Jim Haselmaier
1/15/2025 11:32:01 am
How is "income" defined?
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Jim Haselmaier
1/16/2025 11:10:46 am
Each year in December, I estimate our MAGI for the year. If it looks like it will fall below the Medicaid threshold, we perform a Roth Conversion to increase our MAGI.
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Jim Calder
1/18/2025 03:35:45 pm
Are you estimating the MAGI for the year you are completing or the next year? I assumed your premions are based off the previous years MAGI. Is this correct.
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1/18/2025 09:42:43 pm
Premiums are based off your projected MAGI for the year. If your MAGI ends up being higher than you projected, you have to "true-up" at tax time and pay back some of of your premium supplements.
Jim Haselmaier
1/16/2025 11:12:04 am
When you estimate next year's income (i.e. MAGI) it's not important to be super accurate. It is important that the projection be above the maximum income limit for Medicaid if you’re trying to avoid Medicaid. But you don't want it to be too high because that will reduce the amount of “Advanced Premium Tax Credits” and “Cost-sharing Reduction” benefits you'll receive.
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1/16/2025 10:28:00 pm
Interestingly, not long after you posted this comment we learned that I've been on Medicaid since Dec 1, 2024 and my coverage will end Jan 31, 2025. At the same time, I'm covered by an Anthem Plan via the ACA. For the life of us, we can't figure out what action triggered this. The say that you (Jim) applied for it on Dec 27, 2024, but we've confirmed via your browser history that you did not touch the ACA site that day. This is what we mean when we say this is complicated. At this point, we've decided to just hope that this isn't a problem. (We've also had to pay the full premium, but just for Jan 2025. We're having great debates about whether or not the tax credit will be refunded at the end of the year. Today I inched toward Jim's position that it won't be refunded to us at the end of the year. As we said, "It's Complicated!"
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Jim Haselmaier
1/16/2025 11:13:15 am
It may be worth mentioning that for non-retirement asset accounts, withdrawals are NOT included in MAGI. However, Capital Gains, Dividends and Interest that result from either selling securities in the account or distributions from other assets within the account ARE included in MAGI. MAGI increases when the non-retirement accounts realize Capital Gains, Dividends and Interest, not when those funds are withdrawn. This is the opposite of retirement accounts where Capital Gains, Dividends and Interest received are not taxable until the asset is withdrawn.
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Jim Calder
1/18/2025 03:44:15 pm
I fell like I need a worksheet on the ADA site to layout my plan to see what my estemated plan cost will be.
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Jim Calder
1/18/2025 03:52:23 pm
Is this the "ACA Tool"? Can I do this even though I don't know when I'll retire?
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1/18/2025 10:04:32 pm
I'm guessing that you can put bogus info in the online ACA tool to estimate some scenarios, but our warning is that you never estimate your MAGI below your state's Medicaid threshold or else you end up in Medicaid Hell and aren't allowed to participate in the ACA until you get it erased. Leave a Reply. |
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